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Geronimo McVain
McVain's Minning and Exploration Inc
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Posted - 2016.04.13 13:31:55 -
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Neuntausend wrote:Only that SMA is out, and the "Casino" stated that they only paid mercs against SMA. Will it still be a Casino War?
What will likely be true throughout the whole war is, that the aggressor for the most part doesn't give a **** about sov.
Who fights for the hide while the bear is still alive?
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Geronimo McVain
McVain's Minning and Exploration Inc
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Posted - 2016.04.18 10:06:16 -
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To keep moral up you need some of these:
1. Fanatics: Well, they have some
2. spoils: A loosing battle gives no spoils.
3. vision: missing, except something spezific like: We will win..........
4. Moral boosting action: missing. Even if you go down in a big BOOM it will keep your troops together because they have something to show but hiding will not only grind on the enemy.
If the leaders miss the right time Goon will not go down but fade away. Some members are complaining that they are missing chances to rat or otherwise make money. And if they wait to long MBC will tear down their capitals one by one as they take the systems and the POSs |
Geronimo McVain
McVain's Minning and Exploration Inc
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Posted - 2016.04.20 06:26:19 -
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The problem is. Goons where always proudly describing themself as "bad ass guys". When they get to the real test there's nothing. THATS the problem. I also don't understand Lucas defending the goons. He's member of SMA and SMA did the right thing: They got hammered, accepted the defeat and moved out. That's okay. You need balls to accept a defeat. But goon don't accept defeat but also don't want to fight.
This is a game and it's about fun, the meta is second. If you take a look at the beginning the Goons invaded low and got their heads handed by much smaller and mostly disorganized corps. These corps fought for their space even when they where outnumbered. The wave started as other corps realized that Goons can be beaten and after the first fights goons rolled over and played dead. Now they are whining that the odds are bad: So what? What did you do in fights bevor?
The main thing is that goons are either clever just docking and playing meta OR they are bad assed pirates fighting for their turf. But they can't be both things. This tactic is clever but in the long run it can break the goons because it is destroying their nimbus. If they did a last stand they could go with their heads hehlt high but this tactic is the same as by any carebear corp which the goons always detested. Look at Lucas complaining about IWI. 40000 members + renters and Goon can't match 1 guy with a gambling empire? Your real? If you take a closer look at the war chest of your members and not only on the corp chest IWI is a pauper!
BTW: IWI is totally passiv income so you can step up ratting etc but IWI has to wait for the customers to come. They can't do nothing to improve income.
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Geronimo McVain
McVain's Minning and Exploration Inc
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Posted - 2016.04.20 10:37:55 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Of course they can't. Aside from IWI being able to rake in trillions legitimately, they can also shill out extra isk when they need it, and there's no way of stopping them. On the other hand, everything goons to to make isk can be stopped by their enemies. This is what happens when only one side has to play by the game mechanics and the other is free to use a third party application instead.
Okay, does anyone have numbers how much IWI invested? IWI may be really rich but they don't have some ISK printing machine. They have to maintain their normal business so they have limits how much money they can spend on the war. |
Geronimo McVain
McVain's Minning and Exploration Inc
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Posted - 2016.04.21 06:23:29 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:t won't make a difference here but it certainly will for whatever target he chooses to remove from the game next. IWI have won EVE, so everyone else may as well not be here. It's not like any other players can actually be competitive against that.
Not everyone is a evil goon. 
Lets face it: Most people are in because they want to hurt goons and the money is a nice extra. Second: I would bet that goons can match this amount of money, they had huge Sov, and renters etc for many years. So either Mitten spend it all for weed or the goons should easily match this money plus a lot more if you take a look at the personal warchest of goonmembers. Most senior goons should have multi billions on their own and you have a lot of these. You where saying yourself that you needed to do a lot of ratting to hold you Sov so where is all that money?
Most people where willing to go for the goons even before it all started and that's not true for anyone else. They just thought they wouldn't stand no chance against goons but when they saw a chance they jumped for it. Do you really think that PL and the others need the money so badly that they will start quaking when he says frog?
You are reminding me of some German soccers teams: When they win they are the best, when they loose it's the referees fault not their own short coming or that the other team was simply better. So please stop whinning about IWI, grab a ship, cash out you assets and even the odds: ingame! Even the former leader of Goon is leaving and will you accuse him to be afraid of IWIs Isk? |
Geronimo McVain
McVain's Minning and Exploration Inc
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Posted - 2016.04.21 13:45:56 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Except of course that I complained about these casinos long before this war. All this war has done is emphasise the need to get rid of these casinos which I've wanted for years. There's no odds to even, IWI cannot be attacked and all the time that's the case they can just keep throwing ships into the mix. there's no way the Imperium will survive that. SMA are out of the war now and I'll give it a good go at helping them rebuild, but quite honestly failing that I'll just shut down all but a couple of accounts, move to highsec and just go back to casual ganking and a little trading to keep the lights on. No point in spending time in the rest of the game if CCP are allowing cheaters to run rampant. It's impossible to compete with players like that, so it should just not be attempted. That's not whining, that's reality. Sorry, but would you sing the same tune if IWI was supporting goons? Would you agree with the defenders that it is unfair and the goons should stop? Goon lost BEFORE IWI joint the war against the low sec Corps.
In the end: live with it. Goon may go down or not, I don't know. The real question is if they can go down with style. Just stop whining that it's all so unfair. Docking up doesn't count as style IMHO. I think that's what you would have told the everyone if IWI had supported goon and goon was winning.
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Geronimo McVain
McVain's Minning and Exploration Inc
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Posted - 2016.04.22 07:46:40 -
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What is the Mittani best in: Media war.
What is going in here: constant complaint over IWI. And declining the victorys of MBC because it is "only" because of the IWI money.
Here rockpapershotgun is a good article that shows the huge involvement of IWI but also shows that it's certainly not the only reason.
No matter whats your opinion of the war: it's good for EVE because there is a lot of movement and all of goon space is taken there are huge space areas that need new masters. So even if goon are done, and they are far from this, there will be war in north for a long time until it is all settled. The best thing, for eve, would be if the goon would pack and start somewhere else from scratch because that would stir up even more of Null. Constant denying of fun and just harrassing the winners on the other hand would be bad in the long run for both sides and Eve in general. |
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